The Herberts V Andy Tyrrell

[herbertmatt]

aaaaahhhhhh good old xitup i persume?? y is it u seem to be in our face all the time u always pop up like that bad smell in public toilets, this was between us and andy, like b4 u pop ur nose in, i do take it u go to college from other comments in other places?

[herbertmatt]

its like 1 of the last verses after the chourus

there is something on my mind
i wanna beat people up
instead of treating them kind
im winding my self up
real real tight
feel like death in the morning
and a dog at night.

and i didnt mean wot i put in communist or socialist way i no wot i mean but im shit at typing wot im thinking, and yes we have progressed in 2 days i thinkbut i do think times are very much differnt to bk in the day

[herbertmatt]

sorry didnt c the link to the lyics!!! its not on there but after the last verse it does the chourus again then it says wot i put above + some extra's the whole lyrics dont seem to be on here the song was taken off the comp album "teenage kicks".

Automatic lover x 4

Here she comes she's crazy,
But she knows the scene.
She carries an automatic pistol,
But she ain't got no magazine

Run for cover, run for cover,
She's the kinda thing I was warned of by my mother

Well here I am,
Outta my brain.
Everything's comin',
Back round again.

Well there you are,
Movin' real real fast,
It's a long long night,
I don't think you're gonna last.

Automatic in her hand,
She wants to wear the pants.
There's something wrong here honey,
Won'tcha give me half a chance

You talk about,
This or that glory.
But me honey,
I'm a different story.

When you get mad,
An' start countin' up to ten,
I'm outta that door,
An' on the streets again.

[ALPUNK]

This is still puzzling me alot. matt is just a walking contradiction no offence mate but you have contradicted yourself about a million times. As fo the violence does it matter that much to you Andy ? i know billy Braggs music is all luvvy duvvy because ive listened to it and if you like it thats fine by me but If you had been subjected to the violent attacks that me and some of my friends have over the years then i think you would maybe agree with our Lyrics more.and at the end of the day thats what they are just lyrics its not like were singing about how we've just beat some one up. Now As for the Nationality how can you not be proud of your country? you should be grate full you live in a civilised country such as ours because if you lived in say afghanistan you would be killed for having the views you do.do you not feel any sense of belonging to a country do you not want to live somewhwere where evrry 1 has a common bond?

Ali

[the new kid]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><table border="0" width="90%" bgcolor="#333333" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="0"><tr><td width="100%"><table border="0" width="100%" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" bgcolor="#FF9900"><tr><td width="100%" bgcolor="#DDDDDD"><font size=2 face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">Originally posted by ALPUNK:
but If you had been subjected to the violent attacks that me and some of my friends have over the years then i think you would maybe agree with our Lyrics more.and at the end of the day thats what they are just lyrics its not like were singing about how we've just beat some one up.
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with respect ali, getting chased a bit, or getting smacked a couple of times isnt a "violent attack", its part of growing up. andy is talking about something alot more serious.

[ALPUNK]

i wasnt just talking about that i was talking about when ted got put in hospital but im not really botherd cos it shouldnt happen at all

[ALPUNK]

Nearly forgot If like you say ed a few smacks or a chase isnt much well thats all wer singing about but people are still getting upsett about it
I cant be fucking arsed with this anymore

[ALPUNK]

oh yeh Olly and chubbs know loads of people who have been stabbed and beaten up .

[Walt Whitmans Niece]

Ali,

Firstly, I think the reason Matt seems to be contradictory, occasionally, suggests that he may not be quite as hardened in his opinion as you are. I'm not saying that you having a hardened opinion is, particularly, a bad thing, but maybe Matt needs a little more time and debate to fully realise where he stands. After all you are both very young and I can't remember having such debates at your age. If I'm wrong in saying that Matt then please forgive my presumptouosness.

The violence does matter if, like in your songs, it's being promoted rather than just a reflection of the times we live in. As a matter of fact I have been subjected to a few violent attacks, the worst being on FA cup final day in 1978 when four "mods" beat me up , leaving me nursing a broken wrist and requiring several stiches to a knife wound. I understand why you feel your lyrics are necessary, but I'm afraid I can't agree with them.

I thought I'd dealt with the national pride issue already, but I'll try and clarify it further. The stumbling block in this issue is the cadence of the word proud. I feel strongly that to be proud of something you must have to have had some input into it ie: I'm very proud of the relationship I have with my wife (who I happen to think is a very beautiful woman), I'm intensely proud of my two sons who are both intelligent, talented and likeable, I also feel some pride toward my limited ability to play the guitar and that people have come up to me after gigs and told me that they enjoyed what I do. Like I said in an earlier post, I just happen to be born where I was. I haven't had any influence on my nationality so why should I be proud of it? I am, as you put it extremely grateful to be in this society. We have, probably the best democracy in the world (although it's about time we had a proper written constitution). And of course I have a common bond with my countrymen, and like anyone I would stand and fight for those things. If we were threatened again, like we were in 1939, I would be straight in there, but I would be fighting to retain our democracy and way of life, not for queen and country. When I look at my family I feel love and pride inside me, I feel nothing when I see the union jack or hear the national anthem because they don't represent the things I believe in.

I appreciate that you don't agree with my logic in these issues but I hope you can at least respect me, as I respect you, for having an opinion.

Cheers Andy.

[kurts ghost]

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